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Old 02-15-2010, 10:14:48 PM
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Default 739 Fairbanks Questions

First I want to thank Chad for selling the engine to me .

Now for the ?'s :

Would this engine date with the standard Fairbanks serial # list ?
( the serial # is K 521699 )

Engine has brass Fairbanks Morse tag, then it has another small brass tag below it . This tag has the following info. on it : serial # 169 date 8-70 and bore 9.250 .

Is the small tag a rebuilders tag or something else ?

If I would buy a book for this engine would it show how to plumb engine for propane gas ?
Thanks for any help. I'm sure there will be more ?'s .

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My 739 has a date cast into the cylinder casting. Your # of 521699 dates to 1922 Which is not correct. The K could stand for Kansas City

The smaller tag with the 8-70 date sounds like a rebuilders tag.

The ZC series of engines werent around before 1928, and I'm almost 100% sure that the ZC 739's didnt come into production untill after WWII

The parts book is available on line at www.arrowengine.com or give us a call and we will send you a copy of it.

If your engine has the origional carb on it, then your set for running on propane. There is a 3/4" NPT fitting on the side of the carb between the butterfly and the gasoline resivoir.
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Default Re: 739 Fairbanks ?'s

Mr. Pete,
want you please post some good pictures of the engine now sense all parts will be able to be seen..
it was a great pleasure to be able to meet you and your friend.
I hope there will times in the future that we will be able to get together again.
get the ole girl running and enjoy her for me...as i know you will.
Chad
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Default Re: 739 Fairbanks Questions

Pete, I did a little digging this morning and came up with some information. The 346, 503 and 739 came out in 1944. This information came from one of C.H. Wendel's books. I have a 1943-1944 Composite Oil Field book and it lists these engines in it.
Fairbanks moved their ZC line of operations from Beloit to Kansas City in 1953. So from that I would say your engine was made after this move in 1953.
Good luck with your engine and like Chad said, where's the pictures? Get the camera out Dude, we need to see.
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I got to mess with engine some today , Found some casting tags :

crankcase has 12-20-57 D
crankcase cover has 1-7-58 D
flywheels has 1-31-58 D
water hopper has 2-6-58 D

Looks like engine might be late '58 or early '59 .

I also noticed that all the part #'s have a KC just below them.

Also noticed the small tag that might be a rebuilders tag has GRAYCO along with serial# 169 date 8-70 bore 9.250 .
In my first post I had serial # as K 512699, but the serial # is K 521966.

I'm going to have to take the head off to get valves unstuck and clean the mice nest out !!!!!

Took the carb. apart to clean it out .( found a float and needle valve in the square part of body )

Is the carb. on these engine designed to start on gasoline and switch to propane?

After buying the engine don't have any money left for a camera !!!!!

Thanks for the help so far !!!!!!

Pete

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Yes, the factory carbs were set up so the operator could start them on gasoline then switch over to natural gas / propane. Do you see the 3/4" NPT threaded hole in the side of the carb? That is where you will plumb in your propane. Most charcoal/BBQ propanke regulators will work fine if your just wanting to run the engine as a display /no heavy load. The secret to making it run smooth as a clock is to use a real dial cock at the carb and the choke plate that goes inbetween the carb and air cleaner.
Once you switch it over from gasoline to propane, start choking off the air, and dialing down the propane with the dial cock. With a little fine tuning there you'll have that 739 running like a dream! You'll be surprised just how little propane it takes to make em run really slow.
Keep us posted on your progress!
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Doug,
The carb, has a 1" npt hole for the propane. but there is no choke plate between carb. and air filter .

Pete
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Default Re: 739 Fairbanks Questions

The part is # D-202-346 for the choke plate / air damper. The ZC346, ZC503 and ZC739 all use the same one. Arrow does not carry that one any more but you should not have any trouble finding a used one.
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Ah, but Arrow still carries the 202-118 and it's the exact same thing. Grasshopper.
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Ah, but Arrow still carries the 202-118 and it's the exact same thing. Grasshopper.
It is? I thought the D202 had larger bolt spacing? But I have been wrong once before......
But if Reed says its the same then, it's the same

Ok Pete, then thats what you need!
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