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Scale Models 1/4, 1/3, 1/2, ect


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Old 01-27-2006, 11:57:57 AM
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Default Scale Models 1/4, 1/3, 1/2, ect

I would like to see a thread with pictures of anyone that either has or has built a scale model, code and non code boilers. Over the years Ive seen many beautiful models that need to be enjoyed by all...
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This model was started in 1949 by my grandfather. the engine is built without any castings. the boiler is made with surplus oil well caseing, with flues from a stanley steamer car he had. The engine will run on compressed air, but the boiler was never completed, nor was the drive train built. It is and will remain a nice wall hanger
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Old 01-27-2006, 08:41:33 PM
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This is my grandad's "freescale" engine. The rear wheels are off a 12-20 Case crossmotor. The gearing from a heavy pumpjack. It has about a 5" bore x 6" stroke Jarecki pump cylinder. It is running the 1/3 size sawmill he also designed and did all the castings for. Sorry the pic is a little yellowed...



This is a 1/4 scale that used to be owned by the late Elmer Kelly with his grandson running it.
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Have you ever thought about the fact there are most likely hundreds of scale models in barns and garages around the country that for various reasons never see the light of day? Think about some that you remember from shows years past. Where are they now? I think that unlike a full size, it is unlikely that these engines were scrapped, most likely they sit waiting for an estate to get settled, an owners health to get better, or someone to get motivated. When I take our engine out to shows, I get asked all the time "is that the engine that so and so built up around some town and used to show at some show?" (Not usually our engine mentioned)I have not seen but one or two half scale Keck Gonnermans, but there must be a whole passel out there some where, or more likely the persons memory is not as good about the brand. I have seen lots of scale model engines in the old Iron Men magazines, but rarely see such engines operating. Don't take this the wrong way, but odds are that at most shows all the scale models are Case engines. Another thought, has anyone ever tried to list all such engines? Like how many freelance, Baker, Case, Advance, Keck, etc scale models there are out there in various sizes.
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Old 01-27-2006, 10:58:33 PM
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I wanted to share the pics of my grandfathers 1/2 scale freelance engine he built in 1954. It is shown every year at the Central States Threshermens Reunion in Pontiac, IL

He finished the engine in 1954 and completed the 1/2 scale Ottawa C sheller and water wagon a couple years later. The sheller really works and has shelled many a bushel of corn.

Grandpa ran a machine shop in Woodland IL and much of his business was remounting shellers on trucks. The cylinder is half a stanley steam engine reworked. Gearing is from John Deere B and Farmalls. Everything else is hand made.

Will post pics of dads Half Baker - can be found at www.steamsmith.com.
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Here is a couple shots of dads(Dick Smith) half scale baker
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Shot of halfkecks 1/2 scale KG built by his grandfather
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Few more shots of my grandfather - Robert Smith - with his engine

1st one is during construction

2nd is 1954 - the first year he took it to Pontiac. My father is the one one the bunker with his brother Bob standing next to him

3rd is shot of grandpa in 1976?? when local newspaper ran an article of him and halfkecks grandfather and their love of steam. I will tyr and find the photo of the 2 together
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Heres my 1/6th 65hp Case, built by Bill Winteringham, i'm 3rd owner, I havn't steamed it yet, but it holds water, and runs nice on air
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Workhorse you could fashion some skids and brackets and make a little skid engine out of that one its even painted the correct green
The old Nelson(s) who were the founders of Rollag built some nice models back a lot of years ago. Im not sure if there any direct decendants of them on here? i wish i had some pictures now i cant even remember what they built for sure. i think they did an Advance and a Gaar model, and threshers. I usualy make a breeze through minerature land once a year at rollag. they are always sawmilling wiht a half scale 65 case
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KG thanks for posting the pics. Still trying to get that down. Got some good pics on disk, just that they are saved at 987 kb or whatever Remember that guy named Hugo that used to come to Pontiac when it was at the old show? Wonder whatever happened to his collection. He had a third scale Case as I recall and a third scale sawmill. The story I heard was that he had more that one engine and would bring out whichever one was up for the task. Hugo did not believe in spending a lot of time on how his engines looked as I recall. Not a lot of any color other that black showed up on some of those Cases.
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Default Re: Scale Models 1/4, 1/3, 1/2, ect

I would also like to know where all the models went. I look through old IMA from the 60s and they are full of models that people built. Some are very accurate, some are just representations. One that looked like a very nice parade engine was a 6 HP Case converted to a traction engine. It looked to have rubber tires mounted on cast wheels from a C Case. At least the wheels had eagles on them.
I assume they must be hidden away in sheds somewhere.


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Plowing with 1/2 scale 65 Case at Justin Midaughs farm near Argos Indiana. Engine was built by the late Frank Miller of Kewanna Indiana. Completed in 1976. Opererated by grandson Brad Bonnell.
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I always wondered if anyone ever tried plowing with a 1/2 scale engine. I wondered what they were rated to pull?

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Plowing with 1/2 scale 65 Case at Justin Midaughs farm near Argos Indiana. Engine was built by the late Frank Miller of Kewanna Indiana. Completed in 1976. Opererated by grandson Brad Bonnell.
Hey Brad,

It is great to see the 1/2 scale out again. Grandpa would be pleased...rather miss the old man!

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Heres a little factory 1/4 110 Case salesman model that every 110 owner would give anything to have the plate says 1908 32hp case built by J I Case TM co etc. the detail on these is 100% perfect, and they have the old style cyl covers. i know of 2 other ones besides this one and they are sort of cut aways. but this one was filled back in and someone made a throttle and put a fly wheel on it so it could run on air Theres a privatley owned one at rollag that they use at steam school. its been repainted. and the other one is up here in the austin museum. it came from the U of Winnipeg. it hasn't been handled as much and the paint is almost perfect. shows the original striping really good We played with this one a bit when my friends dad was out of town a few years ago has anyone else ever seen another one of these?
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Colin,
A friend of mine has one that I think is like it--I have not seen it for a bit, and am not 100% sure his is also a scale of a 32, but I think so--he maybe has two of them??? He is presently out of town, so we'll not be able to confirm the size for a few days--it really impressed me as being detail perfect--I thought it must have been made at the Racine factory. He also has the companion pieces, the threshing machines to go with them--also detail perfect
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Chuck I believe I have seen that one also. Very nice model.
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Another thought, has anyone ever tried to list all such engines? Like how many freelance, Baker, Case, Advance, Keck, etc scale models there are out there in various sizes.
As a "listkeeper", I am afraid that doing so would be a hopelessly impossible task.

With full size engines, you already have to deal with the fact that most are privately owned, and change hands every now and then without warning. But what would make tracking live steam engines a hopeless task is that they usually do not have a serial number.

If you saw say a half scale Keck at a steam show a few years ago, then saw another say at someone's house today; how would you know they are not the same? Without some agreed-upon registery or serial number; you just don't stand a chance of weeding out duplicates. Many engines are trading on e-bay with the seller having little knowledge of the previous history of the engine for sale.

That is why the Surviving World Steam Project only tracks full size steam engines that are large enough to transport a person. While it does include some homebuilt steam locomotives, steam launches, and homebuilt full-size engines; the number of these are quite small compared to say half-size and smaller. Even then, I still seem to find about a dozen duplicates with each update; usually because the original record did not have a serial number or other details to uniquely identify it. The same engine then shows up in another source; when more details come it; it is then apparent they are duplicates.

I also continue to be amazed at how much steam engines get moved around; even stationary engines and large steam locomotives that haven't turned a wheel in decades. The move just recently of a Union Pacific "Big Boy" is just one example.

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I agree that it would be very difficult to list scale models on a list. The only way I can see that it would be possible would be for those engines that one still knows the history of so that the builder can be documented. All those Case scale models built never had serial numbers did they? Did Terning number the ones he built? How about Steam Industries, did they number their engines? Other engines that were not mass produced have characteristics that set them apart some minor some major, but would be a pain to try to differentiate between. I will say that it would be interesting to get an idea how many such engines there are out there.
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